Ok, so we've talked a bit about gifts to the in laws -- lots of strings attached to their gifts, heck they might as well be ropes lol. DH and I both have different values that we want to represent to DD, we think Xmas is about charity and kids. DHs siblings think it is about them and carrying out their childhood traditions -- going to MILs at the crack of dawn to pretend Santa came etc. Its chaotic and a fiasco every year and all the kids get lost in the mix, it truly is a tradition for the adult siblings. It's sad IMO.
Anyway, we've managed to break with tradition and have Xmas morning to ourselves but after last year (some of you might remember) MIL and FIL accused me of faking a miscarriage to get out of their holiday tradition. And this was after spending Xmas Eve and Xmas evening with them. MIL had set up a third day of Xmas b/c she was upset that she didn't get Xmas morning. And I had the nerve to miscarry on her third day of Xmas.
So, DH and I have no interest in participating in anything Xmas with them. They still don't understand, no apology, nothing. I'm beyond that but now we've come to telling the sibs. Some of them know but not all of them. We want to send out an email to all of them but I can't figure out how to word it properly -- hmmm....guess I'm not really beyond what happened last year after all. Food for thought.
Anyway, help? I stink at these things. I want something short and sweet that they can't bother me with later lol.
oof!
How about "We're not going to join in at Christmas because MIL and FIL accused me of faking a miscarriage last year and we're still offended by that."
Doe, I think I love you.
Pam - it sounds like you are quite justified in being touchy where ILs are concerned. Where are your parents? Did MIL not feel any responsibility to let you carve out space for your own FOO?
Young families need their own traditions. You and DH have 2 FOO's between you. That means - in happy families - (and if everyone in same town) - Christmas eve with one FOO, Christmas Day afternoon or evening with other FOO, and Christmas morning with your own nuclear family in your own blooming home. (See, I'm not such a bad MIL) -
No way can she expect Christmas Eve, Christmas Morning, and Christmas day evening.
For a young family to cart the little kids and all the presents to the ILs house for Christmas morning is absurd. My own parents began "touring" when my sibs and I had families of our own. We all live in same city and all get along, but we each had our own celebrations. The grandparents would visit my sister and her family in the morning, our family in the afternoon, and go to my brother's on Christmas Eve. On Christmas Eve, DH and I would visit his FOO, my sister and her DH did the same. It all worked out fine.
Why not adopt same approach that DH FOO has when you tell the sibs. No apology. No excuses.
One last thought - does it make any sense to let the family know that while you won't be there Xmas evening with them, you'll drop by briefly on Xmas Eve, but will have to leave early to get home and get kids in bed? You might at least retain a path to better relationship down the road - and not get sucked into them demanding all your time on the holidays.
But I still do love Doe's answer.
We have won a holiday ...... at Christmastime ! See you next year ! Happy Holidays !
Good one, LL! ;D
Pam, I'm wondering if an email is the way to go here. How about purchasing a charity gift in everyone's names, sending out the cards announcing what you've done in their name, and adding a note (could be printed out, could be handwritten) about your plans for Christmas? Keep it positive, in other words what you are going to do rather than what you're not going to do. Let them know they'll be in your thoughts this holiday season or whatever.
Is there a chance they'll decide to descend on you? I've had that nightmare happen with SM & DF along with her AC & GC, without notice.
Dear Pam 1
Just a question ..Why can't your dh send the e-mail or note to his family? Remember that everything you say will be used against you lol. If they accused you of faking a miscarriage which is a very serious accusation, you think they will be understanding this time? Of course not.....
Just do what you think is better for you and your family. We can always change traditions that better suits our family (dont stick to theirs).
Good luck with this...whatever you decide.
Love you Pam
Nana, our therapist thought the emails/talks should come from both of us b/c MIL has a history of trying to pit DH and I against each other. She has even showed up at DHs work or our home (to get to me) to get us to change our mind. Say DH sent the email, she'll come to the house to talk to me. Love you too Nana :)
Pen, awesome idea. I'm going to run it by DH, I don't know if they'll think it opens the door to gifts though. And yes, they might come to our house or just drive by. Lately MIL has just been doing the drive by and not stopping.
Shelby, thanks for the support. My very large Foo lives on the opposite coast, Dad remarried and now I have a lot of little siblings in the house :) They'd probably come out here if I asked but I wouldn't dream of trying to take their Xmas morning away from the kids. And, I think we are different than DHs Foo concerning the holidays. I've never known anyone in my family to demand someones presence or have set and rigid rules that do not change over time. Also, I think for whatever reason the adult kids grew out of it growing up so we mostly just focus on our own kids. As long as my FOO has a good holiday, that's all I care about.
And no, MIL does not care. The first year I was explaining to her that with her schedule of events I wouldn't have time to call my FOO and DD wouldn't have time to call her Dads family. She could've cared less lol.
Btw, I don't think you're a horrible MIL, just different than what I would do, which is totally ok :) And I don't think I'm touchy concerning in laws, my views are just different. The experience with my MIL has been bad for the most part. There are some good things that have come out of it though. I have good relationships everywhere else, even ones that are normally conflict ridden. Stepparents, ex-inlaws and most of my inlaws now.
In laws are just a label, they're not all the same
Doe and LL, you ladies crack me up! My rough drafts of the email sounded like Doe's and DHs sounded like LL's.
I guess the point I want to get across is that even though what happened last year was terrible, what they felt entitled to in the first place isn't something we can give anymore. I don't want to go into the miscarriage with them again (last time MIL said she never knew anything about it. big, big lie) and I think they'll use that to gain leverage in the situation.
Glad to make you laugh, but I was being serious!
Do they all know what happened? If this had happened to one of your sibs would you want to know the truth?
Pam, maybe you could create with DH and DD your own Christmas Card? And in it, encapsulate your own philosophy of what family life means to you and what the past year has been like for you as a family? Send this, in lieu of the email. ? I don't know if your MIL has the sensitivity of a gnat, but making your own message could be a positive experience. I'm sorry for the loss of your baby, and especially at a time that should have been the celebration of a joyous birth, maybe your MIL and FIL need to be reminded what Christmas really is about.
I think no matter what you guys say, however nicely it's worded, those that know about last year will understand and those that don't or won't believe the truth will find fault. So stand your ground and just say you've decided to spend the Holidays with yourselves and do your own traditions and wish them all happy holidays.
Now, that was my nice answer. Secretly I like Doe's and LL's! Lol. So the mean side of me would write "We have decided to spend the Christmas holidays attending play after play. I figured if it was going to be drama anyway, I would at least buy tickets!" ;D
Doe, I'm not sure how much they all know. DH and I have told only 2 of the siblings personally and they both were upset for maybe a couple weeks and then apparently told DH that I needed to get over it b/c their mother was never going to change. FIL has also made comments that yes, it is all wrong but I need to go with the flow.
We know that the other siblings do know MILs version, we caught one red handed gossiping with MIL. But this family behaves very, very strangely. When confronted they just lie or deny or make something up.
It's a tough position, this past year has been pretty rough. Coupled with the fertility treatments and subsequent losses, one of my SILs is expecting another child and while we are happy for them, their situation has been shoved in our faces over and over again. It's really brought up some animosity in DH and he doesn't naturally turn to his siblings for support anyway.
If it were my siblings this happened to - well, I can't quite imagine, no one messes with my family, no one. This family is different, MIL is fairly mentally ill (diagnosed, not something I made up) yet she rules the roost. Her kids have a mixture of mental illnesses themselves and/or developmental delays due to being raised by a perpetual 5 year old. And everyone is terrified to upset her, they might be the target next. Since I'm the newest family member I've been the handy target for her issues, and this is the first time a target has refused to participate, everyone else did it...so should I (they think)
So short story, no. DHs siblings aren't a support for us right now.
Ruth that is a great idea too, DH and I were kicking around Pen's idea today, maybe we will combine the two.
Pooh, somehow you always make me feel better, thank you. Much needed laugh, that's a good one!
It's hard and another reason why this situation is almost intolerable to me, DH and I have wracking our brains how to handle this to create the least amount of fall out for them...in our efforts to have a good holiday ourselves. The holiday is already starting to take on some tainting again this year since the in laws and their issues are so much in the forefront of our marriage and life.
I really cannot understand this game.
Oh, I see. It's so frustrating when people won't stand up for what is right. Maybe this is the year for all the fall out to occur so that future years will be more peaceful for you. Just get it over with if you are up to it.
I like Pen's Idea too about buying a charity gift. How about just contribute to one charity and send the card to everyone?
You know: "With so much strife and suffering in the world today, we have elected to help those who need it so much. We have sent a financial gift to [Salvation Army, Habitat, Heifer, etc. you name it] in honor of our families. Have a Merry Christmas everyone and blessings all around."
Quote from: pam1 on October 09, 2011, 01:29:53 PM
I really cannot understand this game.
That's because it's senseless and not understandable. I love these ladies' ideas but I still say just be honest. You don't have to drudge up all the details of last year, but I agree with Doe, take the fallout this year. You already know that no matter how nice you are, no matter how nicely you word anything...she's not going to be happy. So write the truth, that you two want the Christmas holidays for yourselves and DD. That you want to center your Christmas traditions with DD around charity and goodwill. If you guys figure out a work-around this year, you will be having to figure it out every year.
Quote from: sesamejane on October 09, 2011, 02:05:58 PM
I like Pen's Idea too about buying a charity gift. How about just contribute to one charity and send the card to everyone?
You know: "With so much strife and suffering in the world today, we have elected to help those who need it so much. We have sent a financial gift to [Salvation Army, Habitat, Heifer, etc. you name it] in honor of our families. Have a Merry Christmas everyone and blessings all around."
I love this idea for the gift dilemma.
Something my Mother does every year that makes a huge impact for not tons of money? You guys know those fleece blankets that you can normally find around this time of year for like $5 apiece? My Mother will take $200 and go buy those things up then deliver them to the residents at her local nursing home. They love them over their legs as they sit in their wheelchairs in the hallway. She likes doing something local. You could go do that, take some pictures of the residents and maybe DD with them, covered in their blankets and place one in each Christmas card to his family telling them that each one of them sponsored a blanket?
Pooh, your mom sounds like da bomb.
Pooh, that's awesome of your Mom, what a great idea! We normally do Adopt A Family, serve a couple meals at the shelter during the holiday season (tgiving to xmas) and send care packages for the troops overseas.
I agree, we have to take the fall out this year. I just can't figure out how to word it.
DH did agree to Pen's and Ruth's idea, so we are going to send out an announcement with Xmas card. Just have to figure out what to say lol. I want to send it out fairly soonish this year only b/c they start shopping end of November.
Last year about this time we asked them to join us in Adopt A Family in lieu of gifts to each other. They agreed so we signed up for a family twice the size we normally sign up for, then a couple of his siblings backed out at the last minute saying they already bought our gifts and DH made them agree to the adopt a family and they were crying and upset about it. So, we ended up paying twice the amount to cover their part of the Adopt A Family and we bought the siblings gifts too. The reason why we chose to buy the siblings gifts last year was my idea, his female siblings siblings like to play martyrs.
Anyway, enough of that, I'm done with their games.
You'll see Christmas cards soon - I saw ornaments for sale in 2 stores this weekend!
shops here are full to the brim already with Christmas stuff , before Halloween ...madness !
Whatever you end up saying Pam1, remember no apologies...
Quote from: Doe on October 10, 2011, 07:12:44 AM
Pooh, your mom sounds like da bomb.
Thank you. She really is. Her Church Women's Group always adopt a child each in a children's home too for Christmas. Then she delivers food one day, every other week to the ICU waiting room at her hospital all year round. If I could be half the woman she is, I would be one happy camper.
Dear Family,
Before you start your Christmas shopping, we would like to inform you that we won't be participating in any gift exchanges this year. Given the state of the economy, we have decided to scale back on our expenditures this Christmas. We're choosing to look at it in a positive way, in that we'll be teaching DD about the *other*, less material, aspects of the season. We have decided to put our time and money towards *this cause*.
In order to prevent any embarrassment while you guys are exchanging gifts, we'd like to plan a special evening between Christmas and New Year's to spend with you. How does December 30th for supper sound? I'm sure we'll all be turkey-ed out by then, so we'll have lasagna! Let us know if you're coming because we certainly hope to see you during Christmas-time!
All of our love,
DH & family
I like this!
Scoop! That's terrific, I think DH and I are going to use mixture of yours and SesameJane. Thank you so much
Great thread, ladies!
Like it Scoop.
Love
Just wanted to give you ladies an update. Shortly after this thread DH and I sent out an email to the family using a combo of Scoop's and Sesamejane's scripts.
Most replied positively. DH said FIL/MIL liked the idea and was ok with us doing our own thing. Then we get an email from DHs sister, it was very emotionally charged, I'd almost say she was drunk when she wrote it. Very nasty, how if we were so charitable we would give to family before people we don't even know etc etc.
Anyway, I spoke to SIL (against my better judgement) turns out MIL has been bad mouthing us to her for the past two years, even and especially during our fertility treatments when I was on bedrest. SIL/DH/I are all fine now but wow, this was eye opening. I know most of you know MIL is diagnosed with bpd and we knew she was talking about us, just didn't know the severity of it. And it was really very bad.
Right now, DH and I have decided two things need to happen for a relationship at all with her. First, therapy - we are willing to go to her therapist, we know she won't change overnight but we'd at least like to keep and maintain relationships with the rest of the family without her interference. It's worth a shot.
And secondly, we are moving. Regardless if she does the therapy or not, changes or not, we're now outta here. It's going to take some time, six months to get the house in sale condition and some time for me to wrap up clients here and DH to search for a job.
So, when did I sign up here? Almost two years ago? And a lot of the advice was to move....well, lol you all were right, wish I would have taken your advice sooner. But I feel good about it, I think I did the best I could.
It's a lovely place to be when the uncertainty is lifted, and you *know* what you must do! I am happy for you.
Wow, Pam. I'm sorry for all you've gone through but I'm glad you're moving forward. It must be a kind of relief.
Nice Pam....incertainty is what kills us. Once we decide and know better...what a relief!
Wish you all the luck
Love
Yep! Worrying about decisions for a long time is 100X more stressful than once you make a decision and go for it!
I'm proud of you for how you handled everything and how you are moving forward.
Thanks so much, wise women :)
Your support since I came here has been invaluable.