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My oldest daughter seems to look for reasons for which she can punish me. She then tells me I will not see my grandchildren until she lifts her punishment.  This punishment is never of any set length but usually lasts about 5 or 6 months at a time.  One punishment 2 yrs ago came after she had her 3rd child.  I was very excited to see the baby and my younger daughter was due in from the airport, due to arrive at my oldest daughter's house at a certain time & my oldest daughter said I could come over at that time.  I had an afternoon costume party which she was aware of & she knew I'd be stopping by to see her & my youngest daughter after the party.  Since her house was located between the party location & my house I came directly from the party to my oldest daughter's home.   When I got there my youngest daughter had not yet arrived from the airport, but was due any minute.  My oldest daughter was enraged that I had not gone home to change out of my costume before coming to her house.  I wasn't wearing anything revealing & had no makeup or mask; it was just an ankle-length solid black dress. There were no other people at her house, nor were any expected.   It was just her, my 14 yr old grandson & her new baby, with my middle grandson (8 yrs) expected home from school on the school bus any time.   

My oldest daughter insisted I drive all the way home immediately & change into everyday clothes because she said my costume might scare her children (my grandchildren).  It was close to Halloween, a holiday she celebrates with relish, with  plenty of frightening decorations outside & inside her house, & a multi-room haunted house set up in her cul-de-sac by all the neighbors for all to enjoy.  It was rather strange that with all the frightening things she herself would engage in & foist upon her own children, that she insisted my costume was the one thing not allowed.
I didn't want to leave as my youngest daughter would arrive any minute & as I hadn't seen her for months I wanted to be there when she arrived.  But my daughter insisted, so I got in my car & headed out of her cul-de-sac.  As I neared the corner my middle grandson's bus let him off at the corner. I pulled my car over to the curb & parked.  As he walked down the sidewalk toward home I simply got out & said hello.  He saw my costume & laughed & said hi.   I laughed also & asked him "Aren't you scared?"  He said no, that he knew it was me & laughed some more.   I laughed & said in a jovial way that his mom said she thought he might get scared.  He said "noooo!"  I told him I had to go home & change clothes but that I'd be back as soon as I could. 

When I arrive back at my daughter's house my younger daughter was already there & had been for a while.  I was eager to see her & after I was let in the house I rushed over to give her a hug.  She was very dismissive & didn't seem to want to even greet me.  And my oldest daughter was angry.  She was so angry that I had let my middle grandson see my costume that she was now refusing to let me see my new granddaughter and was refusing to talk to me.  I was shocked.  I tried not to let it bother me and tried to just make the best of it before I had to return home.

Later that evening when my husband arrived home he told me he had stopped by to see our daughters & all the grandkids.  A few days previously our daughter had said we could come over that weekend to see everyone.  But when we went over at the time she had given permission she was hiding in her bedroom with all our grandchildren, including her new baby.  She had told our youngest daughter that she could tell us my husband could come see her, but that I would not be allowed to see my grandchildren ever again and she didn't want to hear from me at all.  I was in tears.  I had brought a nice present over for her new baby & my youngest daughter took that from me, but told me I wouldn't be seeing her again either.  She was "backing up" my older daughter on this she said.  I was in tears.  But my husband was angry with me for "violating" my daughter's "order" when she didn't want anyone to see my costume.  I was crying so much & my younger daughter said "bye."   I didn't want to leave; I wanted to figure out what I could do to solve the problem, but this just made my husband more angry & he said they didn't want me there & I had to leave.  He yanked me out of the house. 

Thanksgiving Day my husband went over to my oldest daughter's house & was given his favorite pie.  And he spent a couple of hours with them until finally coming home to me.  He did not see anything wrong with his seeing his grandchildren while my daughter was still insisting I would never see them again.

I was finally able to get him to agree not to spend time with her while she was ostracizing me.  She continued her punishment of me for 4 more months, while my husband would send her emails & complain that he was "collateral damage."   When my DH's birthday came she relented & allowed us to come over together to eat a birthday cake & dinner she had made him.

Once in a while (about once every 3 months) she would let us come over to see our grandchildren, but she would never allow me near any of my grandchildren without her or her husband in the same room.  My husband was allowed such freedom, but not me.  The next Christmas we brought loads of gifts to them as I had 2 yrs worth saved up.  A few months later we went out of state to see our youngest daughter & her husband & her now 2 children.  The entire time there she had us take her places for her regular appointments or babysitting while she went off to something on her own.  But if I needed anything or wanted to just go across the street to see something for even 5 minutes she would get very adamant that she "did not have time."  We'd been in this other state for 6 days & hadn't seen a thing other than what she told us we had time to go see (which up til then was nothing).  She also told us which projects she needed done around her house & was quite uncomplimentary toward her husband who hadn't had time to be her sole support and complete all the projects.  If I did something not quite right she would chide me & when I bought her something & gave it to her she insisted she didn't want it & that I return it to the store.  Eventually I told my husband I was uncomfortable enough that I didn't think I could stay, he immediately insisted we leave, so we left & got a hotel for our last couple of days there.  She is still taking revenge.  Her sister has joined her in this.  They both are refusing to communicate with me.  While she was in town for a scheduled visit 4 months ago we dropped by my oldest daughter's house and this time our youngest daughter hid in the bedroom with all our grandchildren & we were not allowed to see any of them.  Eventually we were able to get them to come to a therapy session with me so we could talk.  They spent the entire hour just going through a list of things from their childhood where they said I had said something that made them feel bad.   Then they told my therapist that they were "taking a break from me."   I realized this was mostly because my granddaughter's birthday was in a few days & since her birth my daughter has done her best to make sure I could not be there.  Thanksgiving, Christmas, & months later with absolutely no communication from them to me at all (although once again they communicate with my husband over the internet) I am still waiting for them to be done with their "taking a break from me."  My husband's birthday is next week so maybe they will end their ostracism long enough to celebrate.   

My husband says he just knew that anything with me visiting them is doomed from the start.  He says I "don't respect them."  But he can't tell me what that means or what I do wrong.  He just keeps saying "you don't respect them."

I am so tired of the cruelty from them.  And the therapist I was going to just was no help at all.  My oldest daughter had her wrapped around her finger by the end of 55 minutes. 

I never would have even had the thought of keeping my children from my mother, or of "punishing" my mother for something.  I just don't understand how they can be so cruel.   My husband doesn't want to hear from me when I tell him how much this hurts.  He says he doesn't see why I should love our grandchildren because I don't know them.  I don't understand how he can say this.  My heart is just breaking.  I can't find any books that discuss daughters treating their mother like this. 

Does anyone else have this problem?






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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 08:40:04 PM »
You say you are "so tired of it"…but my take is that you aren't tired enough. When you get there…it will end because you will call a halt to it. You may have an outgoing personality that seems disrespectful but you are a target of abuse to my way of thinking.

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 09:21:50 PM »
Welcome, Cherry. I'm glad you are here, but sorry you need to be. You are not alone; I'm sure you'll hear from many moms who are dealing with similar issues.

Please read the Forum Agreement and other pink-highlighted posts under Open Me First on the home page. They explain the workings and policies of the site. We ask this of all new members to make sure WWU is a good fit.

I agree with Luise, IMO, you are being yanked big time & your DH is reveling in being the "good" GP at your expense. It will be hard to get some space and take time for yourself after all these years of doing their bidding, but perhaps they will all appreciate you more if you rediscover your own interests and dreams. The healing begins now, if you let it :)

Respect ... is appreciation of the separateness of the other person, of the ways in which he or she is unique.
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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 12:04:59 AM »
Cherry, I am glad you are here...but sorry for your situation. It kind of sounds like they are a bunch of control freaks that are really treating you horribly. If they can't really tell you what you are doing wrong, and only say you don't respect them...I think
 they are just being mean and abusive. If I were you (I know this is painful for you), I would run, not walk as far away from them as possible. I feel you need to set boundaries and tell them you will not tolerate being treated in this way. And as far as your husband is concerned, well in my opinion he is being very, very abusive and I agree with the post that said he is enjoying being  "the good guy" so to speak, at your expense!  I would seriously reconsider even being married to someone that would treat me that way! For them to "punish you" for stupid things, and act like they do is appalling. I'd find a different therapist, and go for YOU, alone. You don't deserve this treatment, it is cruel and called emotional abuse. Keep us posted I'd like to know what happens.  J

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 05:58:25 AM »
Hey Cherry , welcome .      For them to respect you , you have to respect yourself and from your post your self esteem is very low .  You have to heal and grow taller . Ignore anyone who brings you down and look after yourself . You are your own person who deserves some me time . So treat yourself  and build your self esteem . Why surround yourself with negative people . Be strong , be positive and those around you will change their perspective of you .

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 06:01:51 AM »
Dear Cherry, you are in some kind of cruel and bizarre triangle there, and as Luise said, run don't walk away from this idiocy.  I also have a heapin' helpin' of periodic punishment from my a/c, and while I will take full responsibility for my own blunders, and make amends speedily, when it comes to trashy temper tantrums and unclear passive aggressive behavior, I'm not participating any more, they can withhold what they want, as long as they want.  You don't reward this kind of bad behavior by giving it your attention - that only fuels it and results in achieving its objective.  Pull out and work on maturing yourself above it.  I would recommend reading Josh Coleman's 'When Parents Hurt' as his views on personalities and parenting dynamics were the first steps in helping me get lose from the manipulation of my a/c, and they are manipulating you big time, and I agree that DH is basking in playing out his assigned role as the good parent.  This is very cruel.  He should support you no matter what. 

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 08:35:58 AM »
Cherry, if think that waiting will help the situation improve, it won't, it will make it worse .......for you and you alone.  Sadly, there is a trifecta of trouble, your husband and daughters don't sound like they have any respect for you, but you are a handy, dandy target to get kicked around.
If you want to change the output, you have to change the input.  It might mean a divorce, or estrangement from your grandchildren.  That's always hard to go through, but it's awful to be the soccer ball to be kicked around constantly.

If you are tired of the cruelty, you have to take away the ability of them to inflict it on you.  Essentially, they like the game the way it's being played and don't want any changes.  Never underestimate the ability of people to show you their cruel streak and ramp it up.

I would get a lawyer and keep that to myself, don't give anyone else any further information, it will only be used against you.  These people are used to kicking you around and if/when you try to take their "target" away from them, their hostility will escalate.  Take copious notes, you may have to give them to a lawyer.

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 08:48:23 AM »
Hi Cherry,

Welcome to WWU.  I am so glad you found us.  There are many of us who have the same problem with our adult daughters.  I have not posted in a while but read almost every day.  I too have 2 adult daughters who have hardly any contact with me. 
What surprises me most about your letter is that your husband is not supporting you. You must feel as if they are all against you.  I am divorced, so have no support, but many of our members here do have the support of their husbands.  Many people agree that pulling back totally and looking after yourself first is the best thing to do.  My best to you, keep posting and venting, this is the hardest thing a parent has to deal with.

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM »
Dear Cherry.Welcome to the group.Sorry about your situation.Your AD sound very selfish and have no respect for their mom.Your husband isn't any better IMHO.If it wete me I would work on makimg myself happy which will probably be without DD and DH.You are not a doormat.Don't let them treat you this way.Please find another councellor just for you.You must be strong amd heal.I could not live with a family who treated me so poorly.Hugs and best of luck.Keep posting.Thete are a lot of wiser women than me hete.I had an emotionally abisive marriage for twenty years but my husband who is now deceased would have never taken my DS's side about a matter like this.

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 03:22:51 PM »
Welcome Cherry :)

I have a bit of a different take than the previous posters and it did kinda agree with your DH.  You knew that your daughter didn't want her children to see your costume yet you went out of you way to show it to one of her children.  So your DH doesn't seem that off base to me with his statements that "you don't respect them."  Because it didn't matter whether or not you thought the costume was ok, your daughter informed you directly it was not ok for her children, removed you from her home (so she obviously felt strongly about it) and then you saw an opportunity to not only show one of her children but then ask if it scared him....

To me, that is all just looking from trouble.  I also have to say if my own husband informed me I was doing something then I would take it seriously, not look for ways to minimize or justify what happened.  It sounds like this is a pattern and it's not uncommon for parents these days to put grandparents in time outs (the month long periods you've experienced without contact - which is not the same as the silent treatment.)

It is a common tactic and commonly recommended one by professionals to give another person a chance to reflect and modify their own behavior before (yet another common term) the parents have to enforce a permanent cut off.

So from what I'm gleaning from your post is that you've been giving several warnings by your daughter and have yet to heed them.  Your husband is telling you essentially the same thing.  Your youngest daughter is as well.  So is it really all three of them or perhaps is there anything you can do to help your situation and peoples reactions to you?
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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 04:57:55 PM »
Pam, I see your point. After finding out how ODD felt about the costume, Cherry purposely pulled the car over to greet her grandson and discussed whether or not he was afraid of her outfit. She probably should have waved to him and kept driving.

However, I still think Cherry was being yanked around. The ODD knew she was going to be stopping by after attending a costume party and could have said beforehand, "Please make sure you have time to change before coming by" instead of suddenly making a big deal out of it when it was too late to do anything but miss the YDD's homecoming.
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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 05:25:32 PM »
That is true, Pen.  Something should have been said but perhaps forgotten.

I think the thing that I'm picking up on the most (and Cherry, please feel free to chime in with any updated information or correct anything misconstrued, often times it takes awhile to get the posters full story so the more info the better! or however much you feel comfortable giving) is that this is a pattern.  Someone has got to drop the rope here, the relationships are more important than being right.  On all sides.

And I tend to think when several people that are close to you are telling you the same exact thing it's probably best to give it some thought.  That has been my experience anyway. 

Cherry, I'm not comparing you to my MIL at all but I will tell you several people (myself, DH, FIL and her other adult children) have talked to her several times about the same behaviors that bother all of us, some of us do the time outs, others in cut off mode.  DH and I are at this time in very, very limited contact with her and after years of this DH has said he doesn't think he will ever go back to more contact with her. 

And it's sad.  I hope it resolves for you in a happier way. 

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 05:34:46 PM »
Oh and for the record, if it was your daughter posting here Cherry I would ask her why she didn't just give you a tshirt and some make up remover instead of sending you home.  But she's not posting here.

I'm really not trying to be harsh or anything, just trying to give you another way to look at it with what you can do in this situation to improve it since it is unlikely you're going to be able to change her. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 06:41:21 PM »
 I have read what Pam said.There are always two sides to a story.If this is something that you do often then maybe you should think this through and try to resolve it.DH and two DD can't all be wrong.Another way of looking at the problem ;).Good luck.

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Re: Daughters Intentionally Punish me with Silent Treatment for months
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 07:08:44 PM »
C - That's one thing I love about these Wise Women! You get many different perspectives. Well, worth thinking about!

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