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Offline Kate

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Life is too short to waste
« on: February 09, 2012, 06:13:29 PM »
I'm new to the forum, but had been reading the MACHM site for a couple of weeks.  It was good to read in a post the things that have been filtering in my mind for a while.  I had an emotionally and financially deprived childhood.  My father was a stern disciplinarian who beat me regularly for my many infractions of his code of behaviour.  I had counselling a few years ago, and was asked about physical affection in my childhood.  I could remember my mother putting her arm around me when I was 14.  I froze - it was an alien feeling because nobody had ever hugged me.

When I married at 17 - largely because it was so nice that someone actually said they loved me - I found myself in an even worse situation.  My husband was unstable and abusive.  But I couldn't go home, I couldn't get out because I had no money and was socially isolated, so I just tried to soldier on and raise my kids.  I wasn't the only target for his beatings, so I began to put myself between him and the children.  Eventually I was allowed to get a job, and with that I started to gain a measure of independence.  In fact, I got three jobs so I could put my kids through a good school in the hope that a good education would free them from the life I had.  That just intensified the problem - I was starting to voice the opinions I had kept hidden for so many years and that he wouldn't tolerate.  Eventually, I defied the beatings and refused to be his doormat any more.  So he got a restraining order and kicked me out! 

Both of my kids have issues as a result of that time.  My eldest, who tried to protect me from his father, suffers depression, but is working through it, has a good job and has married recently.  He probably would be a different person if he had had a different childhood, but he is trying to make the best of it. 

In all those years of being abused, and trying to protect my children from being abused, I allowed my younger son a lot more latitude than I should have.  I gave him way too much, and did not hold him to account for things I should have.  I know that now.  He now has no room for me in his life.  It is incredibly hurtful.  He and his wife have decreed that my current husband and I are embarrassing and a bad influence on their child, so we're not allowed to see her. 

Ironically, since being thrown out of my home by my ex my life has improved incredibly.  I met and married my husband fairly soon after my divorce and with his support I had a LOT of counselling.  It helped me so much.  I am no longer paralysed by anxiety.  I learned that I am intelligent and creative, and have a great job earning a salary I never dreamed of, a lovely husband, and a close and supportive group of friends.  I travel; I have friends over for dinner.  These are things that people take for granted, but for me it is heaven. 

But there is a hole in my life.  In counselling, I learned that my younger son exhibits antisocial personality disorder - he has no empathy, and so he discards people who are of no use to him.  He has drifted in and out of my life for years.  He didn't want to live with my husband and I, so he moved in with his girlfriend and her parents.  He and his GF then moved out, but complained that the unit they rented was too noisy, they had no stability etc.  So husband and I took out a loan to buy a unit for them to live in.  The agreement was that they must pay a minimum amount of rent.  They agreed, moved in, and within two weeks he dumped GF.  He then stopped paying rent.  My elder son moved in with him to help with the rent, but younger son (who had a job) started stealing from him.  Eventually elder son told younger son to move out as he could not cope with his behaviour.  I asked him to come and live with us, but he wouldn't.  He moved in with his father for a while and blamed us for making him move out of the unit.  He then disappeared from our life for a year or so. 

He rang me one day to say he was engaged, and that his fiancée was pregnant.  I was so happy to hear from him, and thrilled that he had found someone to love, not so thrilled that they were pregnant, but tried to say the right things.  I started to give them things for the baby and all seemed OK until about a month before the baby was born when he again cut us off.  I have no idea why.  I didn't get to see my granddaughter until she was three when they visited, all smiles, and told us they had enrolled her in a private school (with fees of $12k per year), and that his fiancées parents were going to help with the fees.  I said how lovely, and that I would help with school uniforms. 

Over the next three years, I bonded with my granddaughter.  She is the sweetest thing and absolutely loved me too.  Every time I saw her, it was 'I'm going to sit next to grandma!'  I happily paid for school uniforms, swimming lessons, dance lessons etc.  I also paid for three holidays at five star resorts.  Then his fiancée started mentioning that her mother gave them her wages towards their mortgage - with the clear implication that I should too.  Well, pardon me for being selfish, but I worked like a dog to give my son a great education and he earns $100+k a year.  DiL also works.  Then I got an email telling me that they were married.  OK, I thought, play it cool, don't make a fuss, just congratulate them.  Did I say that in all this time, we weren't allowed to know where they lived?  I asked what they would like as a wedding present - as I have no way of knowing what they have - and got a noncommittal answer. 

When elder son got engaged and started planning his wedding, I got an email from DiL saying that I hadn't contributed to their wedding, but was throwing money at other son’s wedding!  Um?  Very soon after that I got a string of abusive emails from them saying that I am selfish and a bad influence and they didn't attend the wedding.  We haven't had contact since.  I have emailed, and been ignored.  I have rung, left messages and been ignored. 

So, here are my conclusions.  Because I had a lousy childhood, and because I was married to a brute, I over compensated with my sons.  My eldest, because he tried to protect me, bore as much of the brunt of the abuse as I did.  Younger son took the goodies and learned to fade out of a room when he didn't like what was going on.  He fades out of relationships too.  All the tears in the world are not going to change this.  Anything I do is not going to change this.  Weirdly, one of my sisters, who rarely returns emails or phone calls started sending me emails a couple of weeks ago.  I thought it was strange, but good.  Then I got an email asking if I would go on a two overseas trips with her this year.  She is divorced, and if she went on her own would have to pay the single supplement!  Coincidentally I had already booked holidays (close to home - I want to renovate my kitchen this year) with my husband that clashed with the dates she wanted to go.  So I emailed back and told her I couldn't go - and haven't had a reply.  And finally the penny has dropped: my son is like my sister!  You can't choose your relatives, and that includes your biological children.  It is not my place to pay my sons mortgage, or his daughter's private school fees. 

Me, I have a 'time off in lieu' day today, and it has been good to get some of this stuff out of my system.  I'm going to go to the multicultural festival tomorrow, have friends to dinner tomorrow night, take those holidays, renovate my kitchen, and generally enjoy life and if that is selfish, well, call me selfish.  Life is too short to waste on people who don't care for me. 



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Re: Life is too short to waste
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 07:02:47 AM »
I'm not sure how to respond to your post!  It's odd because I have read so many posts on this site, and find there is quite a lot about my life I have in common with the posters!  Same can be said of yours. Same family of origin, same abusive first husband, remarried a good man, kids that are pretty much how you described yours, and last but not least daughter in laws that are exactly how you describe!  I am kind of blown away by it.  Until this web site I never knew how common many of these situations are. Sad huh?  I totally understand how you feel, because I have been there. Sometimes my head seems to spin around because I am thinking what the heck?????  lol  Glad you finally posted here, it feels great to release the thoughts even if nobody can "fix" things for you.  I think you are doing the right thing as far as putting your foot down about giving them money when they are doing pretty well!  My son and his wife are exactly like that and I refuse as well.  It seems that my kids have no empathy a lot of the time too.  They are so not like me.  They are just like my mother, and their father.  I'd be interested in knowing what events take place in your life now!  Glad you are here...blessings to you.  J

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 09:02:24 AM »
Everyone here has taught me some valuable leasons and given me great advice and wisdom.  I also have found some of my own inner wisdom just from writing things down and reading them after I hit "post".  It's great to get things out.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 12:44:39 PM »
Thank you JaneF.  I was struck by the similarities too.  I think that is what is so freeing about this site.  We get to see that we are not the only ones in this position, and that this problem is not as uncommon as we thought. 

I've thought about this so much over the years, and have come to the conclusion that because I had such a tough time as a child, and in early to middle adulthood, I got used to being a doormat, and younger son learned to treat me that way too - not that he has ever been violent with me, but he has learned to treat me with contempt, as if I was worthless.  It took me a long time to learn to stand up for myself - and in his mind, if I'm not a pushover, I'm stepping out of my role in life.   I remember defying my ex and being in so much fear that my whole body shook and my teeth chattered.  Well, I have had enough of being pushed around.  I have experienced a better life and I am never going back.  My life really did begin at 40. 

Pooh, I was blown away by the strength and wisdom of so many of the posters.  It's amazing how much tension drained from my body by finally writing it down. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 09:24:11 PM »
I'm in agreement with the gist of the posts here. 

I'll be 60 this year, many of my friends have died of cancer, more are ill and I've had more than a few brushes with a diagnosis of a terminal illness.

I've decided that this is my turning point year.  I'll spend time with people that I want to and ignore (but won't cruelly interact with people I don't like).  I'm going to stop trying to please people who won't be pleased, and leave the hoops that they hold out to be jumped through by others younger and more agile than me.  I'm going to make this part of my life open to a few select members, like a Club where admission isn't assured but once in a while extended.

I think that like many struggling, single parents, my son's mind was poisoned by an ex-husband angry that he couldn't control me, that I ended a marriage where I was miserable and he was content and didn't want anything to change.  The prevailing wisdom of the day was to always allow the child to have a relationship with his father.  Wisdom, not so much in my opinion.  There are times when I wish I had moved to another continent, taken him with me and told him his father was dead.  Whatever, it's all in the rear view mirror and his father has taught him to treat me the way he treated me, with a measure of cruelty if I won't dance to his tune.

You can stick a fork in me, I'm done..... with that department and they can both fly a kite, (actually, I might need to buy a kite, I haven't flown one for a long time).

I believe the world will be a better place when my ex-husband breathes his last and who knows if I'll ever see that day.  I hope that his son won't follow in his footsteps, but if he chooses to, it will be his choice, I did everything I could to instil MY values in him and somehow it doesn't seem to have "taken".

My report card for the last 30 or so years is a A+ for effort and that's good enough for me.

I'm moving forward with the desire to leave the drama, conflict, jealousy and resentments behind me but embrace the adventure of wherever I choose to let my life take me, and I ain't taking any prisoners, but I'm AM having a parade for the rest of my years, and of course the WWU have helped me learn how to march to my own tune.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 09:44:02 PM »
Dear Keys girl, That is one of the most beautiful, authentic pieces I have ever read.  It somehow touches my soul. Wow!

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 05:17:46 AM »
You are so right.Life is too short to be around people who give negative vibes.I have just turned sixty myself and love your new view of life.

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 05:39:13 AM »
Right on Keys Girl!!!!   My ex did the same thing and tried to poison my kids against me, so I understand where you are coming from.  We always hope we instill some good values in our young.  We did our best huh?  Time to do exactly like you said in your post!  I refuse to be surrounded by negative and nasty people too.  Your post inspired me to stay strong and stand firm in what I believe in.  I had to chuckle at your statement about your ex and taking his last breath though!  Have a most joyous day.  J

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 05:48:45 AM »
I got used to being a doormat, and younger son learned to treat me that way too - not that he has ever been violent with me, but he has learned to treat me with contempt, as if I was worthless.  It took me a long time to learn to stand up for myself - and in his mind, if I'm not a pushover, I'm stepping out of my role in life.   I remember defying my ex and being in so much fear that my whole body shook and my teeth chattered.  Well, I have had enough of being pushed around.  I have experienced a better life and I am never going back.  My life really did begin at 40.

I could have written this verbatim, Kate. You're definitely not alone in this experience.
This too shall pass.  All is well.

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 09:39:51 AM »

I am loving this thread! I can relate to what Kate and KeysGirl wrote so well. I don't know what the MACHM site is, but reading your posts made me realize that my DD is probably afflicted in some degree with anti-social personality disorder. She is, regrettably, more like her Dad than like me, and that's where she got it. My other DD, the one who loves me, is more like me. One out of two ain't bad, I guess.

Although my parents were not abusive, I did learn how to be a doormat from my mother and from my father's lack of interest in me, being a Narcissist. A Narcissist with a good heart, actually, I know that's hard to believe, but he was a good human being who never realized that there was something important missing in him and therefore did some incredibly cruel things to people he should have loved. There is no effective treatment for Narcissism, anyway.

I like to play revisionist personal history, and go over what I would have done then had I known what I know now. If I had my life to live over, I would have removed myself from all the nasty, ugly treatment I got from my Dad via his new wife and her whacko daughter instead of jumping through their hoops hoping to "live up" to someone who met with their approval. That was never going to happen and trying just fanned their hideous egos. The same for my ex. I never would have married him. I would have gone with my first protective and correct reaction upon meeting him and run as fast as could out of his magnetic field.

So we learn from our FOO that we have to earn love, and that's a lie. We become "people pleasers." We had to grow up and relearn that we are worth loving for ourselves, just as we are. We have to find self-worth within which is what we should have been taught from the time we were born but, for some reason, we were not given that gift and have to give it to ourselves.

The more I read about anti-social personality disorder, the more I recognize DD. There are degrees of it, of course. My influence on her mitigated how nasty she could have been, and my half of the gene pool, of course. But now that she's hooked up with BF "A," they are reflecting each other. I don't think she can be a happy person on this current path, but that's up to her. I'm not interested in being a target. We have not spoken since January 20 except for one text she sent me. She lives 1/2 mile away. I hate to say this, but I don't miss her passive-aggressive stuff or her begrudging, tiny attentions or her hostile attitude. It's really a bit of a relief! I do miss the person she is when she is at her best. But I rarely saw that side ...

I do wonder what she is thinking but it's pointless to go there. She never owns what she does or says and she doesn't apologize for anything, and that is what is required, so I guess we will remain at a standstill until something changes. I do think it's unnatural not to love your own mother. I guess it's reality time, and no one promised us a rose garden, but there is the rest of life and it goes on. My focus this year is to fulfill my own dreams and to learn how to be in a healthy relationship with a partner, yet to be discovered, but I'm working on it!

Love and hugs to all of you and thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your thoughts and for sharing your stories which affirm that we are neither alone nor isolated in our heartache.









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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 10:38:41 AM »
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I do wonder what she is thinking but it's pointless to go there.

Sometimes I wonder if "they're" thinking anything - sort of a "nothingness" or "emptiness" of the mind.  As Dr. Phil said if we knew how "little" others think of us (referring to the fact most ruminate about only themselves and give very little time or thought about others), we wouldn't worry so much.  I am beginning to think that sensitivity/consideration toward others is found in the minority of humankind rather than the majority - survival of the fittest may demand this, perhaps ....  just wondering ....

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 06:28:05 PM »
This truth is echoing inside my head. Life is short.

I turned 50 recently. I raised 6 kids alone. The youngest one now hates me and moved in with his dad. I'm living in a huge house that I hate and is a monument to the farce that was my marriage and the life I lived for those children whose fault it wasn't.

My new husband and I are selling this big empty nest. Partly because we don't need it, but mostly because we're afraid one of our children will call and ask us to come back and live here. We joke that kids are like baby birds that constantly squawk, "Feed me, feed me!" Then they grow up and try to peck your eyes out. There's a reason why the momma bird leaves the nest too.

Now that the little birdies are mostly all gone, we're burned out. Not just by parenthood, but by being treated by many of them with such disrespect over the years. It takes its toll.

We're selling off all our stuff, and buying tour bicycles and planning a trans-american tour. Then we'll settle down somewhere in a 1 bedroom house with no room for guests and live out the rest of our lives how we want.  We're Running Away.

You wanna know my biggest fear? It's not giving up my house, or my stuff, or my job, or being on the road, or not knowing what the future holds or any of that.

It's that my kids are going to think I'm being selfish. I know, right? After 30 years of give, give, giving, I still worry about that? Well, I'm getting over it fast. I'm starting to not care so much what they think. Whenever I think it, I give my head a shake.

Like some of you, I am seeing my friends and family side-lined by illnesses and injuries, and I want to have a chance to live a little while I still have my health.  I want to see what I missed out on. I think it's time I started being a little selfish.
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 06:32:41 PM »
Yay!  That sound like a blast!  DH and I are wrapping up our business in a few years and planning to rent the house while we travel around.  What a great idea!!

I'll bet money that when  you are 100 miles gone on your trip, you'll forget about what your kids or anyone else thinks.   

I'll look for you on the road and honk and wave!!

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 06:43:51 PM »
Thanks Doe...We're getting excited. I hope all your dreams come true too!

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 01:36:13 AM »
If it weren't for DDD we'd be planning something similar. Good for you!
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