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Offline shorewil

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extended adolescence
« on: February 02, 2012, 04:30:12 PM »
Is it me, or do most of todays 20 somethings seem to be going thru a pro-lo-n-g-e-d adolescence ? maybe , as teenagers, other generations went thru all of these trials and were therefore more mature at 25 or 29,even ??? Were we really at fault due  to high divorce rate, spoiling "you are special" etc. etc. etc.?  I know, I know - focus on yourself  because you can't change anyone else ! My head knows that - but I still wonder Why ???

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 04:42:17 PM »
Not that unusual. I will be 85 next month and I'm still in my adolescence... :o

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »
I saw a quote recently that said,
"If you're 50 and haven't grown up yet, you don't have to!" 

I loved it!  (even though I'm ummm...*clear throat*.....47)  So reassuring!   8)

I wonder if we're all in shock when our young AC are so crazy and no one told us about this phase of life....never did I hear someone talk about the trials and tribulations like what I go through and see and hear on our site here.    Was I not listening??  Did someone try to tell me???  Or did people just hide it under the rug????   ;)
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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 09:20:15 PM »
My take: We are experiencing a cultural shift that is a long way from being completed. Parents used to be much more authoritarian. Kids used to have to toe the line. TV and computers have changed the experience of childhood and weekend parents that both work is the norm. We gave our own kids more than we were given when we were kids and we took more off of them. No one asked us what we thought when we were little…and it wouldn't have occurred to us to make demands. We were afraid to and rightly so. When I was a kid my mom didn't drive and she was a college graduate. A lot of us were sheltered and naive. My social life still revolved around Girl Scouts when I was 14! It's a whole new ball game and no one knows the rules. I think many kids today are overstimulated and undersupervised and there are peer pressures in their lives that we never heard of that often have more influence than their home life. Those are just my thoughts. When we address an issue this way…most of us have to generalize…which doesn't work at all when we are interfacing one-on-one. Sending love...

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 12:24:39 AM »
hi All,

yes i think todays 20 somethings still dont want to grow up, I know now that i did too much and tried to hard with my DD's and it was the done thing when i had my 2 girls.
I think because things were tougher for me when i was growing up for various reasons i over compensated and did too much for them.
Older DD who is at home and 30 this year with anxiety and depression which started after she was bullied at school ( this is the second really bad bout of depression, the first being just after she left school).
And my YDD although left home and now having 2 children always expecting me to bail her out financially and quite honestly being a nightmare in her teenage years when she was able to go out to nightclubs at 18 (but also before that too).
In my YDD case i have to say Luise  that my GS is the opposite, he is under stimulated and over supervised, he is punished so much by having his toys taken away and no one actually playing games with him  when he is at home that as soon as you do visit he asks you to come and play games with him in his bedroom (as that is the only place he is allowed to play with his toys).
His Mom is busy with my new GD, so she concentrates on her and as i have stated before his Dad takes absoloutely no notice of him except to tell him off and never goes and plays games with him either inside the house or out in the garden. (he had a scooter for Christmas but it was only when i looked after him he went on it), he hasnt been on it since then and has now had it taken off him because of what they term as bad behaviour. Where is his incentive then to keep to their rules?

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 05:36:39 AM »
When I read that Jill, I reflect back to what Luise said and it still rings true possibly for your GS.  I say this because I am dealing with a SD that was ignored.  I think those situations cause those kids to really be susceptible to peer pressure because they are looking for acceptance and attention.  Bad attention is better than no attention when you are starved for it.

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 07:03:14 AM »
I agree with Luise and have to add that something shifted when the schools started drugging kids into 'acceptable' behavior.  It seems to me like prescriptions have taken the place of the direct parental intervention in some cases.  Just my opinion.

On the other hand, Shorewil, it's not all 20 somethings.  There are a lot of young people who have grown up and taken on responsibilities in the military in their families, etc. 

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 07:39:04 AM »
Well, this is definitely something to think about.  I'm sure there's more to it than just one factor.

Did you know there also hasn't been a huge shift in fashion?  That it used to be that within a 20 year period, you could REALLY see the difference between any fashions.  So picture clothes from the 50's and the 70's, or from the 20's to the 40's, or even from the 60's to the 80's, HUGE differences.  However, "they" are saying that we haven't had a shift in fashion in a LONG time, that at the basic level, fashion hasn't changed significantly since the 90's.

Do you think this could be another symptom of a generation of people who want everything handed to them?  They're not the ones inventing the new iPod, they're just waiting for it.  They're not pushing the limits of fashion or music.  At 40, I'm still listening to the popular music and I like it, isn't that WRONG on some level?

We have friends who's adult son lives at home, and quit his job, because he didn't feel like working anymore.  And I was completely flabbergasted, because how do you GIVE your kid ambition?  How do you make them WANT to work and be a contributing member of society.  Because I don't remember *learning* that.  It was a given that I would go to school and then get a job and work, meet someone, get married, have kids and repeat the cycle.


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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 08:23:44 AM »
Mark Zuckerberg is proof that this generation of 20somethings is ambitious and contributes to society.  I think too often we are exasperated by the failures we hear about (some very close to home......) and don't see the whole picture.

Scoop, I too enjoy today's music.  I don't think there's something wrong with that.  I would like to think our generation is more open-minded when it comes to music than our parents may have been.

I, too, grapple with this issue when I compare (I know I shouldn't!) my son to my daughter.  She was independent and out on her own by 22.  My son's journey has been more interesting....  but he is set now to move out at the age of 24 -- although I do believe in my heart it's going to be a real struggle for him when you compare his paycheck to his anticipated expenses.  Anyway, I digress.... sorry.

The incentive to work is sparked by the necessity to have a roof over your head and food to eat.  If this is freely gifted to the 20something, there is no incentive.  There's the need/want for a cell phone, car, clothes, $$ to go out, etc.  Again, if this is freely gifted there is no incentive.  We learned this valuable lesson this past year and finally closed the Bank of Mom and Dad.  It hasn't been easy, but our son finally "gets it" and is paying his own way.

But I cannot "blanket" every 20something into the theory above.  Some 20somethings want to work because they want to squirrel away every penny -- so even if they're gifted everything to survive, they still possess the desire to make money and advance.

Good thread topic.  Lots to think about.


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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 09:09:11 AM »
I agree, I'm not sure a blanket statement can be made.  I'm in my 30's but still feel like a kid :)

Also, just my opinion, but I do think todays kids have more responsibility in a different way than previous generations.  Good grades aren't going to get you into a good college, you can still only end up being accepted in a community college.  IMHO, I think the observation of delayed adolescence is a direct result of the pressures on kids these days.

Not that it is better or worse, just every generation is different.
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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 03:56:35 PM »
Schools can't prescribe drugs, but I think many parents seek out help from the medical profession when their children can't handle the school setting. I've never heard of any school employee recommending drugs, but maybe in some states they do.

I agree, Pam, I'm twice your age & still feel like a kid! My DS & DIL are in their 20's and are very ambitious, much more than DH & I were at their age. All DS's high school friends are ambitious as well - there are scientists, politicians, doctors, teachers, lawyers, military officers, etc. in the group. BTW, they came from all walks of life; some were given all the advantages, some had to work two & three jobs to get through school.
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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 07:09:46 AM »
School employees recommend medication here all the time. They don't prescribe it, but they suggest it. It is infuriating to me because while teachers certainly have much experience with children, I do not believe they are qualified to make not only a diagnosis but to offer their choice for a solution. When my son was a little hyper in class (really who wouldn't be? Sitting all day for six hours is HARD), the recommendation was ritalin. I refused. The teacher then suggested that we were unfit parents. FYI, My son has been medication free all of his life and is now in training to be a pilot for the Marines, no one else has made mention of it.

I think many children are living at home longer because they recognize it as an easy way to save money.  Also the debt statistics show that 65% of adults in their 20s right now pay off their credit card EVERY month. These kids are growing up in a tough economy where their edcuation likely outweighs the job prospects. But, it does seem like they are managing money fairly well and instead of regarding their past education as a waste, many are moving on to even more education.

I'm not saying there aren't freeloaders and people who shy away from responsibility, but I think there is some of that in every generation, and I don't think it's worse with this one.

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 07:31:08 AM »
When we were homeschooling, I was a contact for new homeschooler for years.  I talked to so many parents of middle school aged boys who were encouraged by school personnel to drug their kids.  Some of the parents pulled their kids out and found that they just needed a break from the school grind, a change of scenery, a different educational approach - behavioral problems went away.  I do understand that school employees don't write the prescriptions but they can bully families into getting them.

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 10:25:56 PM »
On the subject of medicating children, there have been a few studies that have come out in the past year or so that pretty much have stated that the current generations, the ones who have guardians who are heavily into medicating them is going to fail because the adults that are innovators are the ones who take risks and think outside of the box, the ones who jump off of things, figure out ways around and through things, and because that's the way they think they come up with new things.  Many many children who dont' need to be medicated are and the concern is that we're medicating the innovation out of an entire generation.

My own son is a kinetic learner, always has been, he never sits still but he's smart.  Started walking at 9 months, was talking in full sentences before he was 2.  He also climbs on, jumps off of, and takes apart anything and everything he can.  He can only sit still for around 20 minutes and learns better if he's allowed to run off some of that energy after a lesson.  Now he's only 3.5 but a few people have told me that he's much too active and will more than likely need to be medicated in school.  While I dont' want my son to be a distraction within a classroom, I don't see the point of medicating numerous students because it's easier. 

A few cities (including one we used to live in) have tried splitting classes down a "Kinetic learning" and "Traditional learning" line, traditional classrooms are pretty much the same as what we grew up with.  In the other, what they're learning is the same but how they learn it is different, rooms are set up so students can stand while learning, sit down time is limited to 20-30 minutes, followed by some sort of activity that ties into what they're learning (Experiment, running to find a certain number of items in a room, etc.).  The cities that have done this have found  it raises test scores and they're having to medicate less kids.

We live in Europe now which has totally changed my parenting style.  It's much more loose here, kids are very well behaved but parents aren't on top of them as much as they are in the states.  Playground equipment here would shock a lot of US parents and we often joke that what the kids play on "Would make a US lawyer rich".  One of my kids favorite places to go (they're 5 and 3.5) has a 15-20 foot high "volcano" shaped thing that's covered in slippery plastic, the kids run and climb up it and it has no hand holds at all.  It also has a flat area that's blown up with a "bubble" sticking out of it...little kids sit on the bubble and older kids and parents jump on it, launching the little kids in every direction.  My mom was horrified when she saw the picture, yet I've never, ever seen a child hurt.  Parents tell their kids what the rules are, the kids follow them, and all is well.  In fact you often see older kids, helping, and protecting the smaller ones when things get a little rough.

I think a lot of kids have been so sheltered that they just don't know how to cope when they get older.  I have friends who have managed people who had their mom call for them at work when they were sick.  My husband once had some 30 something's mom call him and argue with him about the job rating her son had gotten (It wasn't bad, just wasn't perfect.  People in their job never get perfect ratings, they always have to say that there's room for some improvement, which is how they justify the raise the next year because they "improved".).

This got much longer than I intended, sorry.

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Re: extended adolescence
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 10:37:44 PM »
Never apologize for a long post. We don't count words! What you have written about is amazing and my hat is off to you! Sending love...

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