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Offline Ruth

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2012, 03:38:17 PM »
August, you expressed this profoundly: Forgiveness is one thing, participation in someone's life is another.  One does not necessarily imply the other.

You have so eloquently and perfectly expressed a sentiment that's really been at the nerve center of my stress for a long long time.  The truth is, if my df had lived, (he died at 59 and I was aware that he was always very ashamed and sorry for the abuse he perpetrated in our family), I'm sure could not have ever been able to tolerate a relationship with him, on a personal level that is.  Nothing he could do to make amends would have made me comfortable with him.  It was too shame based and had just been to painful.

 This knowledge always cut me to the heart, because I feared deep down in my heart that although my ds and I are not estranged because of alcohol/sexual abuse,  my ds would feel the same toward me, and I would have to ironically accept those terms.  In spite of every effort in my power to take responsibility for the bad decisions I made as ds was growing up (separating him from his sister after divorce/custody battle, and remarrying into a bad situation that bounced him back and forth in adolescence) and in spite of how committed I've been for many years to be worthy of trust,  it was not likely ds would ever desire a relationship with me.  He has made this clear.  I gradually came to see that my pleading with him for love and forgiveness was really just more selfish actions on my part, wanting to get my needs met - to feel better about myself and to feel the past was expunged - rather than respecting what he wanted (or didn't want) from me.  This is probably one of the most painful things a person has to come to terms with in the span of a lifetime.  WE can't turn the clock back, nor can we coerce another person into desiring to know us and love us.  There won't ever come a point in my life that I no longer grieve the loss of the relationship and respect that I so longed for with my ds.  That being said, I never give up or miss an opportunity to do some loving action toward him when it can be done anonymously or else not leave him feeling I'm on the take again.  Balancing that out, his blame and disrespect no longer have any place in my life. 

August. You make an excellent point, and I believe you are completely right in stating that it is a parent's job to do all these things  But in discussing this with dd, she remarked that it is both, which is an enigma!   The parent performs a duty and obligation in bringing a child to healthy adulthood - the child in turn regards those sacrificial duties with tender gratitude and honor.  I do hope for you to come to love and trust others, August, and not miss that element of joy which nothing in life can replace.  We all fail at life, but the real issue is, I believe, motive. 

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2012, 07:28:42 PM »
Ruth...I really appreciated reading your post.  It was very enlightening.

I am greatful that I have a relationship with my parents.  I am greatful for the changes both they and I have made.  I also acknowledge that my childhood put me on the road to what I am...and there ARE many, ultimately, positive things that came out of that.  I wish that my brother were able to make that journey, but I don't know that he will complete it.  He doesn't seem to have the same type of resiliance I did and I fear he will never be mended.  He also doesn't have the same support I do--a good spouse.

I do love others and I do trust people to varying degrees.  The trust issue is what it is and it is never going to change.  I mitigate that by being exceeding loyal until the hurt becomes too great and I disengage.  (That is actually the hardest part of my non-relationship with my inlaws.  I miss what I thought the relationship was.  I miss them and what they were to me.  I don't know that it ever was what I thought it was, but even if it was both they and I are different people now, and the gap just can't be bridged.)

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This knowledge always cut me to the heart, because I feared deep down in my heart that although my ds and I are not estranged because of alcohol/sexual abuse,  my ds would feel the same toward me, and I would have to ironically accept those terms.

I totally admit that I think it is likely that this will come to pass one day for me as a mother.  I am not a perfect parent, no where near it.  I know there are going to be things I'm going to have to pay for later. 

I do hope that the original poster takes some hope away from the thread, though.  If someone such as I could come to a point where I accept my parents, understand what happened, and have a positive relationship with them---then it is possible that one day she and her children will be in the same place.

I will say this to everyone...if you don't know what a genogram is...loook it up.   Doing one was one of the best things I ever did.  I worked on it for weeks and it was SO illuminating.

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 10:08:23 AM »
Phillek and August...I have told them just how sorry I was...with no excuses...many...many...many times...I know I was not the best mom I could be for letting them go thru things that they shouldn't have...I have to step back now...They have put me thru the ringer..from taking me on an "all girls" trip..my daughter planned with all the DIL'S...while she proceeded to humilitate me...hundreds of miles from my home...can't even describe what that was like...to all my DIL's..friending each other on FB to say what a horrible GM I am and MIL..what happened when my children were growing up...has NOTHING to do with my DIL's..I have treated them all with the utmost respectful...regardless of how they treated me...I have 10 grandbabies..though one passed away at 4 months...I will not be treated this way...!!  it is literally killing me

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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2012, 10:20:34 AM »
I'm so sorry for what you are going through, tiffytx.

Your DD and DILs should not be treating you this way, and you don't have to put up with it, no matter what you did in the past.  I've seen many posts where people have come to the conclusion that you have to teach people how to treat you.  In your case my opinion is that it is best to back away from the situation and wait for them to grow up.  I can't imagine how difficult that must be with GC.  Thankfully, I chose to forgive and move on with my DM before my DS was born.  Now, she sees him about once a year due to distance and work, and we email often.  I send her photos regularly, and she sends him little gifts.  It's a sweet relationship, and I truly hope that you get there someday.

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2012, 10:33:23 AM »
Every day...I  die a little more...was only 16 when married.."for love"..wasn't even pregnant...was stupid...stupid stupid...but I stayed with him..for 25 yrs until he died...I LOVED being a mom..that's ALL I know..that's ALL I ever wanted...I stayed with their dad thru everything..and I know..trust me I know..how much the children suffered...but I suffered as well...I know I had a choice..and they didn't..that is the difference..but I was young..had no family support whatsoever..did the BEST I could at the time..HONEST..If they want me to pay with my life...so be it...maybe that will make them feel better...

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2012, 10:47:13 AM »
Every day...I  die a little more...was only 16 when married.."for love"..wasn't even pregnant...was stupid...stupid stupid ...but I stayed with him..for 25 yrs until he died...I LOVED being a mom..that's ALL I know..that's ALL I ever wanted...I stayed with their dad thru everything..and I know..trust me I know..how much the children suffered...but I suffered as well...I know I had a choice..and they didn't..that is the difference..but I was young..had no family support whatsoever..did the BEST I could at the time..HONEST

This is very similar to my DM's situation, except my DF left when I was 2.  I believe everything you've written, and I hope your AC will too, someday.  They do love you, there's no way that they don't, but they just have to learn to let go of their anger and treat you with respect.

..If they want me to pay with my life...so be it...maybe that will make them feel better...

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE know that this is not the answer, and will not make ANYONE feel better.  Please get help with a professional if you need to... I know the other women on this site, much wiser than me, would chime in telling you how wrong this is.

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2012, 11:32:59 AM »
i've been just where you are emotionally, you have lost your perspective.  This has taken over your thinking and you are only thinking on this, and running back into the distant past in your mind, frantically trying to reconstruct and decipher and come up with some answers.  I don't think I can really help you at this stage, because no one could help me either when I was this consumed with what was happening with my children, it took me a while to get a grip and begin to look at it all more objectively.  What really helped me was reading these posts, and learning from the other women.  You are attributing every single bad behavior (on the part of your children ) to their childhood and the things you did and did not do.  I encourage you to try and open up a part of your reasoning and thinking to the option that much of it is not because of nor a direct result of alcoholism and chaos in childhood.   It may just be the nature and disposition of your adult children and some bad choices they're making right now.  You are putting yourself in the starring role, and it may or not not be about you at all.  Even as bad as this is, when I came to terms with this I even had to grieve THAT, because it meant I had to accept that I was in many ways just irrelevant to my adult children, and not even very important.  After that there was no choice except to get away from that thinking and start investing myself into other things.  Its the only way, Tiffy, you can't have what you want, and you can't fix other people's lives.  The more you run back to them with pleadings and apologies, the more power you give to them to aim back at you and even twistup the thinking to blaming you more.  There is a time and a place for apologies, but it isn't usually very effective (in my own experience) when we're in a tailspin emotionally and just want the pain to go away and our people to like us and approve of us again.  My most effective apology to my ds came much much after the estrangement, when all of a sudden it just dawned on me that the one thing I had never considered nor apologized to him for, was separating him and his sister after the divorce from their father (his choice, but nevertheless....)   After I did this in a long letter, I do believe it lightened up a little, but as long as I was so emotionally embroiled in the excruciating pain of rejection and loss, I wasn't able to see what the real issue may have been, I thought I had it all figured out but I think I was not on the right track.   

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Re: Adult Children who won't let go of the past
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2012, 11:35:46 AM »
Every day...I  die a little more...

..If they want me to pay with my life...so be it...maybe that will make them feel better...

Tiffytx, I urge you to get some help from a professional source. No one here is a licensed professional; we are not qualified to deal with serious emotional issues such as yours. We can offer support as you work towards healing & that's about it. Please call someone now!

Respect ... is appreciation of the separateness of the other person, of the ways in which he or she is unique.
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