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Offline colleen01

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counseling made me feel worse
« on: November 16, 2011, 07:50:05 AM »
Feel free to move this wherever as it falls under many topics.  Most of you know the chaos of dealing with my AC.  Because of this and lack of family and embarrassment I go to a counselor. I've switched many times and pretty much liked my current one. I struggle with major depression(Because of relationships ) and get anxious during these dramas.  Anyway I was sharing how my ODD flipped out on my for a few reasons, making a face at a hospital, and bringing xmas outfits. I agree with counselor I,no matter how much I didn't agree, shouldn't have brought said outfits to her house because she said NO.  Anyway, then she said she thinks I'm crazy, and doesn't want me to ever see GC again.  This session my counselor said I make everything a crisis and drama! I am really trying to sort thru this. I don't know if she has children, I know she has stepkids. It is a crisis to me and seems to many of us, when our family is fractured. With the holidays coming, and no one else, except my YDD, it feels depressing.  She said, "no one died", then why do I feel like someone did?  She seemed irritated with me, and impatient.  I may have to look again for someone but don't want to run if there's truth I'm not willing to see?  Is it just me, or do these relationship dances with our AC, GK, jealousies over in-laws, cruelties from our AC, only affect me  to this degree where I feel really out of sorts the past week. I want the holidays to be over, and have no interest right now in anything except talking to someone who understands.  I really wish we could call each other.  I don't want to call my friends right now, as my counselor said I'm almost like a Histrionic!  I have never been told that.  My family has been my entire goal(53)  It's the most important thing in the world to me. And to have it so shattered means I've failed at the only thing I've worked at.

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 09:23:47 AM »
Colleen, I think sometimes counselors have issues themselves lol.  Sometimes it's just not a good fit.  And sometimes they have their bad days too.

Now, I guess my question is that you say pretty much like this one -- so is this something you can sit on for a little bit and see if there is anything to what she is saying?  Is there something in what she said that can be of help to you in resolving anything?  Just take some time to think on that.
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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 09:41:59 AM »
Sorry, think your counselor was way out of line. You are entitled to any feelings you might have. it's her job to help you sort through those feelings and shape appropriate responses.

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 10:08:16 AM »
Colleen - Here's the red flag statement for me:

"My family has been my entire goal(53)  It's the most important thing in the world to me. And to have it so shattered means I've failed at the only thing I've worked at."

The thing is, you were a person before you had a family.  Now, through the normal course of events, your kids have grown up and left the nest.  That is AS IT SHOULD BE.  Now, you have to find yourself as a person again.

Now, you say you failed at the only thing you've worked at.  Does this mean that you were raising them INTENTIONALLY to stay close to you, to need you, to depend on you, to not be able to live without daily contact with you?  I certainly hope not.

I thought it was something that everyone understood to be normal, that a young adult NEEDS to make a separation from his/her parents.  That they need to move away from a parents influence (often for a couple of years), in order to discover who THEY are, and then they come back.  And if you try and pull them in too tightly, they just pull away harder and further.  It really is a case of "if you love someone, set them free".

So yeah, your daughter is moving away from you, she's still in (sporadic) contact with you - to me, this is normal and thus, perhaps your reaction seems over-dramatic.  Maybe it's because you seem to think this is a complete loss, not a temporary separation.  Maybe that's another way you can look at it?

As for your counselor, I'm glad she's making you uncomfortable.  I'm pretty sure you don't get personal growth from within your comfort zone.  Your situation will not get any better if you're seeing someone who's just going to say "there, there, it's not your fault".

It seems to me that you're at a cross-roads - one way involves you doing the same-old, same-old, the other way involves you doing your best to forge an adult relationship with her.  I vote for an adult relationship!  You can do it Colleen!

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 10:14:48 AM »
colleen :

I sympathise with you at feeling left out of things , however , your family have made lives for themselves
now you must make yours .
They will of course include you but not ALL of the time . You must therefore fill the gaps with your
own life . Find things that you always wanted to do , join clubs , gyms anything to take yourself
out of this gloom .
Let them find you ''busy'' when they are looking for you . The less you need THEM , the more they will
need YOU . It works .... :)

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 10:18:00 AM »
I agree with Lancaster Lady - how can they miss you, if you won't go away?

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 10:43:05 AM »
Counselors are human.  They must try to be objective.  It's their profession.  Yet they're still burdened with their humanness.  Our relationship with them is one-sided, because we don't know much, if anything, about their lives.  But, they have lives nonetheless.  If one of her stepchildren has late stage cancer, if her husband is telling her he's leaving her, then for her, someone is dying, or her family is shattered. To hear your family is shattered because you brought unwanted Christmas clothes, may have been too much for the person counselor, that session.  However, I have NO IDEA if that's what she was doing (losing some objectivity).   

This could very well have been a different approach she wanted to try with you. Especially if she's observed other approaches weren't effective with helping you feel better about your life when you're not in her office.  You counselor can't change your DD.   She can't even change you.  She can only hope to help you change how you feel about troubles with your DD.  Maybe she wanted to point out, for your perspective, the reality that fighting with your DD doesn't mean your family is shattered.

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My family has been my entire goal(53)  It's the most important thing in the world to me. And to have it so shattered means I've failed at the only thing I've worked at
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I validate you.  You feel it's shattered.  I validate your pain from the strife.  I validate you feel like a failure because of the strife.  It's real and it's yours.  I believe your feelings are real!  At the exact same time, though,  I also don't believe your family's shattered.  I don't beleive you're a failure AT ALL.  And I mean that with hope, not invalidation.  Your family is not the way you wanted it, but it's not completely destroyed. And you, my love, are no failure.  I promise you this is true.  Will you believe me?

And one fight, or a hundred fights, certainly doesn't EVER mean you're a failure. Colleen having a fight does NOT EQUAL Colleen is a failure.   Colleen having a fight EQUALS Colleen and her DD want different things.  It seems so closely linked, I know.  But it's not the same thing.  An illogical conclusion.  Every time you wash the car it rains.  It seems that way, but it doesn't mean washing the car equals rain, or causes rain.  (I don't think!)  A fight with your DD doesn't cause your failure.  A fight is a fight. A fight is not always a catastrophe.  (And I thank goodness for that on a semi-regular basis, myself).

I think what your counselor may have meant, is that just because someone gets angry at us and we feel like someone died, doesn't mean they died.    Just because you feel like your family is shattered, doesn't mean they are. You and your daughter are having problems.  Some of them are pretty easy to identify the cause of.  And, it seems to me, the really good news is you do hold some power to prevent some of them.  This is a very good "prognosis" for your relationship with her.  This is hope.

Your DD asked you not to bring the christmas clothes, you brought them anyway, and DD got angry.  This angry reaction is something that probably could have been predicted, with some forethought.   You may have figuredshe'd get angry and decided you were willing to just deal with her anger anyway.  Your DD, on the other hand, saw how her asking didn't work to get her heard. Your DD saw her responsive anger wasn't having the effect she wanted (for you to stop doing things she'd asked you not to, to her children). At that point, it appears DD, with her limited repetoire (asking, telling and anger),  felt she had to kick her anger up a notch in hopes of getting through.   Your DD said you can never see the GKs again. But I really don't think she meant it that way.  I think DD was angry and she said things in the heat of anger.  I think DD's anger was real.  I don't think DD's "never again" statement was.

I suggest you tell her your counselor your feelings about this in your next session.   Work it through with her.  Ask her questions .   Ask her to explain in detail what she means, and how she can help you.   Learn what she's thinking about catastrophizing, and ask how you might stop falling into that pattern.  It's her job to teach you that.  Sometimes a counselor's job is not just to make us feel better immediately, but over the long term.  And heck yes, it sure can be uncomfortable at first to hear someone's opinion of how we act. Especially when we don't see how it can fit with how we feel.   Ouch!  That's why they say therapy takes work  Hard work doesn't always feel good, but the payoff usually does.  Is it out of line to for your counselor to suggest a different perspective than tragedy?  Old habits die hard.  The payoff for not feeling like every fight with DD is a tragedy, seems to be it's own reward.   There's going to be more fights.  I think it might be very, very nice to be able to develop the new habit of not feeling catastrophe and failure every time it happens.

Step back from what the counselor said for a day or two.   Then mull it over for a day or two.  Then decide the questions you want to ask her about what she said.  We never know unless we ask, right?  Sending you love and strength.  We're in your corner.

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 12:16:26 PM »
colleen :

I sympathise with you at feeling left out of things , however , your family have made lives for themselves
now you must make yours .
They will of course include you but not ALL of the time . You must therefore fill the gaps with your
own life . Find things that you always wanted to do , join clubs , gyms anything to take yourself
out of this gloom .
Let them find you ''busy'' when they are looking for you . The less you need THEM , the more they will
need YOU . It works .... :)

I have not commented for so long,I forgot my password.

"Let them find you busy" Amen!! and Amen!! 
I am "Catchingup"
;) ;) ;) 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 12:17:52 PM »
colleen :

I sympathise with you at feeling left out of things , however , your family have made lives for themselves
now you must make yours .
They will of course include you but not ALL of the time . You must therefore fill the gaps with your
own life . Find things that you always wanted to do , join clubs , gyms anything to take yourself
out of this gloom .
Let them find you ''busy'' when they are looking for you . The less you need THEM , the more they will
need YOU . It works .... :)

I have not commented for so long,I forgot my password.

"Let them find you busy" Amen!! and Amen!! 
I am "Catchingup"
;) ;) ;) 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;)

Those things were supposed to move
 ;) ;) 8) 8) ;) ;D

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 12:18:57 PM »
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 12:19:45 PM »
Why wont they move ;D

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 01:04:37 PM »
Do you feel better after reading and posting here?    If you do, just let that be your therapy for a while.  Take the money you're spending on this person and go have some fun.

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 05:37:03 PM »
Catchingup-you crack me up. They won't move because our DD's told them not to lol. DD's won't move either!

Now for you my little Colleen..........hmmm. If you e-mail me I would share my phone # gladly.
As far as your counselor.I don't know. It made me angry what she said. However! MAYBE, just maybe she thought you were making progress, and then saw you slipping and she tried some 'tough love'.
I feel for you as if there is a lot of tension over your DD's.....(duh) and you wear it well. Meaning that you are not laughing enough or not seeing any humor in these stupid fights that ODD is, to her detriment, causing. I see both of you very tense. I don't know where I am going with this...just observin' and sayin'.
I do agree with the other women posting that YOU HAVE TO somehow fill the void. That, to me, is your major dilemma right now. Honestly.
Until you do..with the holidays coming up etc. you are going to go crazy my friend.
Gosh....do you think you are up to volunteering for something or somewhere? Even if you don't feel like it?
You know Colleen, I received 2 e-mails today which are so opposite in content about the author's feelings towards me.
One author is my XH. His e-mail was very negative towards me-to the point of abject cruelty. But at least he wrote me. And I did learn from it.
The other e-mail is from someone I have never me. In fact he lives in Ireland. But wow! What an e-mail. I can tell he adores me from afar. He knows not my age, has never seen my photo. We met by chance on a science site over a year ago. We shared an interest online. That's all. No romance. No flirting. He know NOTHING about my personal life with my DD's.But he totally respects me. Because we shared an interest! He was a rabid fan of the subject of the science site and so was I.
If you think WAYYY back to when you were a teenager or maybe younger, I bet you can find something which really impacted you and over the years you set it aside. SOMETHING.
Try to recall that and if you get the excitement over it again, then there is your distraction. Your new passion.
Honey you deserve more. Forgive the DD and move on. She will always be there. Honestly.
Give Collen a break and let Colleen free again.
Someone out there really needs you. While waiting for your DD to need you, reach out and be the person someone else needs. Just for now.
Stand down but don't give up. You fighter you!

Thanks for being so honest here. That takes guts.



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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 05:59:02 PM »
Colleen get thyself over to the Entitlement thread and start posting! I wanna hear it ha ha!

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Re: counseling made me feel worse
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 07:00:33 PM »
This session my counselor said I make everything a crisis and drama!

If this is the wording that your counsellor used, it sounds pretty judgemental.  The rest of the world will be happy to judge you in a sometimes cruel way, but your counsellor to me, is acting like the rest of the world, not someone who you can rely upon to coach you through the tough times, dealing with the drama/crisis that we deal with every day.

I would start looking around for a new counsellor, this person's batteries may need to be recharged, or hasn't had a vacation in a long time.



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