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family betrayal and residual affects
« on: August 02, 2011, 10:47:52 PM »
i am new to this site and have really been suffering loneliness, sadness, confusion, anger when it comes to my family.  Briefly, my corrupt mother showed real dementia in 06 after a medical emergency and telephoned me to take care of her.  I did while she was in the hospital in spite of my working fulll time and working on a dissertation proposal. 

She had $$, and when she was convalescing in a nursing  home, my eldest child (son) and his wife, fundamentalist christians, showed up from out of state and attempted to take her out of the facility to cash in a $100K CD. (my son and I were very close until he was about 24, and I started noticing conniving and manipulating behavior.  Then he married, and his wife does not like me because I am not very "put together" I guess.  I don't wear much make up and I don't dye my hair.  Otherwise I think I look okay, nice clean fairly new clothes, good quality, etc.)  The nursing home was telephoned by the bank, they called me, and I filed an order of guardianship for her.  My son filed against me.  I was stunned all the way around. 

My mother had colluded with him to "take over her properties" to replace my eldest brother. I won the case because the psychiatric examination showed she was demented.  My son and my mother, however, disappeared for two years - moved out of the state.  My siblings and I did not know where she was. She had been very cruel (physically emotionally) throughout my life, and I was basically trying to help her during a time of illness - nothinng more.  My siblings blamed me for my son's behavior.  When I confronted my son via email in a very civilized way, his wife wrote back for me not to contact  him, her, and to stay away from my two grandchildren.  I was crushed, hurt, devastated by all of it.

Two years later, mother begain calling me because she was having black outs and my son and DiL had left the state after picking her dry - taking all her possessions and investing her money with their name on it.  but they left her in another state all alone!  I tried to help her, but she connived again behind my back with my eldest brother who changed her will and the monies, putting them in his name -his new wife is a paralegal (sixth marriage and probably 11th "serious" relationship).  Anyway, mother finally died in 09, and meanwhile I initiated no contact with all of them because my mental and physical health was suffering from all the sorrow, betrayal, and insanity.

I have not heard from my son since 06.  I have two other daughters. My youngest daughter, who I was very close to all her ife until she went to college, now lives 3000 miles away.  It is clear that she does not like talking to me on the phone and visits very infrequently.  Recently, after a year and a half she came to visit, and spent the entire time texting!!! She is 28 years old, not a child. She calls maybe once every three months.  My heart is breaking. 

My eldest daughter, who was very difficiult to raise, insinuates that I was a terrible mother one minute and then tells me that I am the kindest person she has ever met....I am confused.  She called me tonight to tell me that she has emailed her brother for the first time in five years and he replied.  She told me I should not have contact with him until I "get over everything."  She "lectured' me and threatened that she would not come to visit me anymore if I don't "let go"

I responded that I have learned not to seek situations that are harmful to me, that hurt me.  I told her I will not wilingly walk into an abusive situation again.  I am so confused about her attitude.  My mother was emotionally and physically abusive. She was married five times, and each man came after me when I was younger and into my twenties.  In fact, her last husband who died in early 2001 also grabbed me one night, and I had to fight him off - I was 49 at the time!!! Not some young girl!  Mother ignored it all. My mother put me with another family for the first six years of my life, and one of her husband's molested me when I was young, and she did nothing!  She smacked me around frequently; I seemed monthly to have a bruise or bloody lip or  nose.

I did initiate no contact with her when I was about 32 until I was 40, but then moved within a couple of hundred miles of her when I went back to school.  Big mistake...but water under the bridge now. But I really don't understand my children.  What did I do??? I kept away from my mother because she was a sociopath.  But my kids seem to have no respect for me, ignore me, and it hurts so so much.  Tonight I just sat and listened to my daughter lecture me and telling me my other daughter feels the same way.  I simply commented that I was somewhat stunned that she and my other daughter are so judgmental of me, and that I do the best I can.  Otherwise, I figured the wisest thing to do was just let her have her say and get off the phone. 

I don't understand any of it.  I can remember thinking when I was younger that all I wanted was a fmaily of my own, to be  a mother.  I loved raising them until they seemed to stop liking me.  I keep telling myself they love me, but I just dont' know what to think.  So I am trying to just get on with my life though feel so lonely without them.  I miss them so - but the way they were, not these griping mean people.  I don't understand how other mothers seem to have such good, loving relationships with their children.  What did I do wrong?  :-\  :'(

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Re: family betrayal and residual affects
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 11:14:37 PM »
I am so sad and sorry for you. it must be very painful. i wish i could have some amazing words of wisdom for you, but i dont. it seems the world around us has gone crazy. I have similar situation in my life and i know first  hand how hard it can be when your heart is bleeding for people who seem to not care at all if you live or die. the world is unfair with the bad getting rewarded and the good betrayed. I walk alone to and it hurts so bad. I have tried to find friends and fill my life with other things and other people that do care about me. It has taken some time, but it is possiable. I went on Meetup groups and started to go out to some events and meet people that are also looking for releationships. I pray, I cry, I pray, I cry, i vent, I pray and cry some more. I read and pray, talk and scream. I feel desperate almost on the edge of suicide and "why live" and than I say no. I am still her, I am still a person, I am a survior. I will not let this control me or let them control me. they are shells of a people. it is not natural to not love your mother. It is a sad lonely person  living in self centerdness and serlfishness to treat your mother this way. Even you after all your mother did to you still reached out to her and tried to hellp her. That is love, that is compassion, that is how it should be. God bless you. your a wonderful and loving. Thank you for sharing. Keep your head up. you are beautiful and not alone. we are here for you. I am here for you. God is in love with you adn will not leave you or forsake you no matter what.

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 06:07:56 AM »
Welcome Sesamejane :)

I'm sorry for what you're going through.  Do you have anyone to talk to?  Any hobbies you've wanted to try?

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 06:20:21 AM »
hello and welcome....your story is all to familiar here.  you are not alone. keep reading here you will see how this is a common event for may of us. not that it makes it less painful, just sharing that this painful experience is a common bond. "what did you do wrong?"  asking that question is where the trap lies. You can not or will not make sense of it. I never have been able to do so with my situation with my daughter. I stopped asking "why" and started asking "what about me?". I mattered to myself and others that love and care for me. Take the focus off them and highlight yourself in loving ways. Have your own boundaries to ward off hurtful family members. Hang in there better days are ahead.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 06:59:27 AM »
You didn't do anything wrong. Their childhood was about you and you did a great job. Their adulthood is about them, their choices and what they do and don't learn from the consequences. We dream of a lovely extended family but our expectations are just that. They are not anyone else's blueprint. You were a whole person before you became a mother and you can be whole again. You deserve so much better. It's time to give it to yourself. Turn toward self-love and self-respect and healing. We're with you 100%.

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 07:41:18 AM »
this is a place you will find help to move on past this 'past' and into a better and more sane future.   This is not a bunch of whiners and blamers, but women who have taken the responsibility for our selves and our actions, and there is such a great capacity here for comfort and compassion to one another.   It has helped me a lot.  You, like most of us, have a complex history and many layers of pain and disappointment, and probably vague misplaced guilt that is keeping you stuck.  I'm learning to grieve when I need to rather than cycling over and over into guilt and remorse and compulsively trying to reconstruct the past.  I'm never going to see or fully understand what my kid's version of their past is, and little by little it consumes me less.  Don't give way to despair, there can be better days ahead for you, Beloved.  For now if I were you, I'd step away from all of it and focus on just the most critical family issues demanding a decision (i.e. your mother?  etc)  beyond that I'd tell myself NO MORE PROBING for now, and just read a lot of the posts on this site.  I did get a lot of help in redirection and disconnection from the Josh Coleman book, but some others ladies didn't.  There isn't a one size fits all, but that book released me from the guilt I carried so many years for my sons rejection and abuse.  I realized his personality greatly played into the family dynamics and I was set up to not succeed as a Mom the way I wanted to so badly.  Please don't get me wrong, I have a lot of very bad moments still, and I'm not aging as well as I'd like and I don't handle loss at all well.   Take care of yourself. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 07:42:48 AM »
Welcome SJ.  The searching for the "why's" will drive you crazy.  Many times there are no "why's" just perceptions.  You did your best and it's up to them to realize it.  Nothing you do or say will lead them to that conclusion, they have to discover it.  Many of us have found our children's perceptions are different than ours of their childhoods.  They only can judge it by what they saw or felt, and didn't have the knowledge as to what was really going on many times.  That's our jobs as Mother's, to protect them from the bad stuff.

Keep reading and venting.  It will help you through this.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 12:14:46 PM »
SJ, welcome to the site. You've certainly been through a lot. Time to pull back and take care of yourself, as others have said. You may never get the justice you deserve; I understand how frustrating that is.

These kinds of family shenanigans must have been going on since families were first invented, I think...ever read Shakespeare, or Greek myths for that matter? Some of us luck out, some of us get the short end of it (raises hand.) You did your best for them, now do your best for you.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 12:29:11 PM »
Sending love…

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 06:36:43 PM »
SJ,
I am sorry for everything your going through and have been through. I certainly know the money end of family pitfalls. It does bring out the greed in some people and honestly I don't know how some relatives live with themselves.
It is good that you tried to take care of your mom. I never had the chance to have my mom that long but I know I would have been there for her if she had lived long enough. You have a good heart so just remember that.
I know that there is no hurt like your kids hurt!  I am not sure why so many families are disconnected with their kids today.  But I know there are many and we all hurt on eway or another for along time.
I have good days and I have bad days and I wish sometimes I could just pick up and move someplace. Just so many memories here but I know it wouldn't help that much. I feel like I wake up, eat, and go to bed and sometimes I feel like what kind of life is this? Think we all think we will be happy with a family and things will be wonderful or at least happy.  Never think your kids aren't going to love you or even like you.  At least that is how it feels when they ignore you.
Talking about it helps and I hope it helps you to vent here.  Once you get some of the hurt and confusion out you can start to have some peace and direction.  It isn't easy but it is something you have to do to feel better.
Don't blame yourself anymore.  I mean I am sure we have all done things to upset our kids when they were kids. But having them act like your somekind of wacko doesn't add up. Your daughter seems to be confused on what she wants from you also? How is it they think they can tell you what to do or how to do it with your own son?  But they do it. I am so sorry for your pain and the hurt.  It takes time but little by little you need to walk away from it and know you did what you could, now take care of you.  Therapy would be wonderful but who can afford that today?
You are not alone and believe me, many families have the same problems, they just don't talk about it. Br Strong!!

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 11:20:47 AM »
I am so grateful for all your replies! It has been so hard because I moved to start a new job and although I am making new friends, I cannot talk to them about this stuff.  Others talk about their grandchildren and ask if I have some. I thought once about saying I didn't have any, but I am not very good at maintaining "stories."  So when they ask how often I get to see them I just say "not very" and then I make excuses like "we are all so busy" or "it is so far away."  I am sorry if I am dumping, but writing this reminds me of upsetting things.  I don't want to be around my son and his wife.  Even when our relationship was better it was not good. It hurts to be around my children and I have decided that I am not going to make the effort - one exception.  I have promised the girl who lives on the other side of the country that I will come visit her, and I have not been to her new place.  I don't want to act in a peevish or pouting way, but I want to take care of myself.  I want to exercise self-respect but not be vengeful or angry.  I keep telling myself that I did the best I could, and then I think, maybe they are doing the best they can.  I don't feel it emotionally, but intellectually I guess they are. I so want to be special to them as they are to me.  Special in a good way I mean.

Addendum to the story btw: I went with a friend to a fancy olive oil/vinegar tasting room and bought a pair for each of my daughters to send to them (they both live far from me). Both of them have recently moved, so I phoned them to get their addresses. I was going to surprise them with the housewarming gifts.  My eldest daughter asked angrily - "why do you want my address?"  I was shocked and didn't know what to say, I said, "I don't have it, you just moved. Why are you angry?"  She said, "I don't want to get any rude letters from you."  ???? Again I was shocked and asked when she ever got a rude letter from me.  Seh was vague and referred to her teenage years.  And yes I did write her a couple of letters during that time because I was worried about her, and she was drinking, drugging, and always yelling.  It was the only way I thought I could get through to her.  I don't remember it being rude though.  Anyway, I just told her I was not going to write her a letter and said I had to go.  Then she asked if I wanted her address and I just said, "not right now.  We need some space."  I don't want to send her anything. It's not revenge it's just great disappointment and now the gift seems spoiled.  she wouldn't take it the right way, and the way she talked to me, how can I send her a gift, a reward?

Thank you for your responses. @mombgone - it is comforting to know that other's families are not perfect either, not that I want anyone else to be suffering like this.  $$ does change people, but I didn't expect it. @Pen "time to pull back" - I am trying to, it feels sad sad sad @ Pooh - you are so right and trying to explain what was going on seems to only make them angrier!  So yes, I cannot change their perception  @ Ruth - yes guilt - I do think back and try to rehash conversations or incidents and wonder if I could have, should have handled things differently. See the story above about the olive oil, etc.  I feel guilty that I am not sending it to her!  Go figure. @luise - thank you for reminding me. I am trying to find that whole person again, even though the ache of missing them is so present sometimes. @ not like the movies - "take the focus off them" - yes, I think you are right.  A life time of habits are hard to break but must be I guess. @Pam1 - thank you, yes I have a sister that I just met three years ago but we have become very close.  She is from my father's first marriage. She has similar difficulties with her grown boys, and we are trying to help each other.  Yes, I have lots of hobbies that I can't get to because I have to work. No retirement in the near future with this economy the way it is! @lmesich - I feel numb and a really deep and painful ache.  I wish I could cry, I want to to release it.  I can't seem to.  I too have thoughts of just not wanting to live anymore but know that I will and must find a way. It is hard being a woman alone.  Most of my friends are married and retired.  I do not know my new friends well enough to share this awful famlly history. I belong to a nice church and have a strong spiritual life.  It has really saved me I think.

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 01:14:04 PM »
KeysGirl has written some posts that might interest you, SJ. She's been through a process and come out the other end, living her life as she chooses. I find most of her thoughts regarding taking charge of her happiness very empowering. I'm not ready to take the steps she took (my situation is very different currently) but I admire her spirit.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 06:10:52 PM »
Just a suggestion, but I'd be inclined to make sure the gift you bought her doesn't stay in plain sight at home.  If you think you're eventually going to give it to her, hide it away in a closet somewhere.  Otherwise, donate it or give it to someone else.  It seems like a small thing, but if it's sitting out on your counter top, every time you see it you think of the situation and that makes it harder to set things aside.  It's just an unnecessary jab of hurt every time you step into that room.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 12:35:08 AM »
Wow.  Just awful stuff for one person to go through, and yet when you read these posts you see you are far from alone.  I personally find that overwhelming and I am not as good a forum member as I could be.  I find I feel I am drowning after reading a few scenarios and I have to step away.  I cannot believe the capacity people have to hurt each other and how gleefully and fully they act on it, parents (mostly mothers!), siblings, children, the hurt they are capable of is mind blowing.  I want to gather everyone up and bring them home to keep them safe, but of course that is not a practical solution or even a healthy one, because we all have to find our own solutions.

And boy, you throw money in the mix and things are a hundred times worse.

All I can offer are some things that I have found to be lifesavers, maybe you have some of the same potential resources.
* My faith  - I ask God to hold me and them in His hands, but keeping a nice distance between us.  lol
* My friends - that is where I get the affirmation that helps me know it is not me, it is them.  I am so lucky to have the most wonderful friends, but my therapist says that did not happen by accident.  They are my friends because of who I am.
* Therapy - a lot of work, physically, financially and emotionally, but it has literally saved my life.
* My sense of humor - if I don't laugh at some of this insanity, my head will explode.  Laughing helps me remember, their behavior is not normal, they are not normal.  I am living the best, healthiest, most joy filled life I can.

Now this is not to say I am 100% successful at keeping the demons at bay all the time.  It is constant work.  But I choose joy and freedom from drama and let them lead their unhappy, miserable lives.

Keep positive and you are in my prayers.  :)


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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 08:10:34 AM »
Inspiring post, CityGirl.
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.  It's about learning to dance in the rain!